Thursday, August 25, 2005

Theology 101

This happened round the dining table, back when I was a good Christian girl. (I still have beliefs, but they don't fall neatly into that particular package any more.) We were reading the Genesis story - you know, Adam, Eve, the snake and the apple. We came to the part where Adam blames Eve for leading him into sin. Haley, then 5 and a half, responded with indignation: "That's not fair!!" And of course she's right. Adam is being a weasel. Eve's first sin may have been disobedience; Adam's was moral cowardice. Very pleased with her acuity, I ask, "And where was Adam when Satan was trying to get Eve to disobey? Where was he?" (The answer, which, strangely, was never made entirely clear to me by my various Sunday School teachers, is: STANDING RIGHT BESIDE HER!!) Haley paused before answering, and her little brother Adam (then two and a half) piped in, earnest and intense:

"I go and get God!!"
Well. The story would have had a whole 'nuther ending if my Adam had been in the Garden!


Blogger Heather said...

I LOVE that answer! And Haley is right - it wasn' fair. I think god needed to create 8 days...and on the 7th day he created fairness and then took a break. I think, since god is assumed as a FATHER and a HE, that he buggered off when the job was almost done to sit back and enjoy Football on Sunday (which he created on day 3 or 4).

8/25/2005 11:07:00 AM  
Blogger MC Etcher said...

Adam would have been awfully lonesome in the garden all alone after she was kicked out...

8/25/2005 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger ieatcrayonz said...

Now, Adam, nobody likes a tattle! Ha!

That sure would put a different spin on the ol' original sin.

8/25/2005 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger LoryKC said...

Hee hee! I love it!

And I'm glad you've already asked some of those important questions. You know, I never realized Adam (not yours) was right there the whole time until someone just pointed that out to me this summer!

8/25/2005 03:07:00 PM  
Blogger Susan said...

My children both attended a very Christian Day Out (day care) program here in the Bible Belt. But the only story Henry ever remembered was that of Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus.

And he only remembered it because Paul fell off his horse.

And Charlie? Charlie swears that, in Genesis, when God creates the animals, Jesus helped.

Sure, why not?

8/25/2005 03:49:00 PM  
Blogger Mary P. said...

Heather: Sunday afternoon Football? Is God an American? (I know the Republicans think he is, but...)

mcetcher: Some people believe that Eve was the second wife, after Lilith who was too independent to suit. Maybe there'd just have had to have been version three!

Crayonz: We know the rule: blood or immediate danger. Arguably, death constitutes immediate danger and is tattle-worthy.

Lory: Yeah, I was in my twenties before I noticed that, too. "Adam, who was there with her..." Pretty clear. I was outraged that I'd been given to understand throughout my youth that the fall was largely the woman's fault, and poor Adam was collateral damage. This is not at all theologically sound (obviously!), but it sure was prevalent in evangelical circles when I was growing up! Sheesh.

Susan: Did Paul fall off his horse? I missed that bit, or I've forgotten it. He went temporarily blind, I know that.

Jesus helping create animals? Charlie may have been taught that. The verses at the beginning of John that go "in the beginning was the Word" has been interpreted to mean Jesus (the Word) was present at creation. I don't know how widespread that is, but I know I was taught that. So Charlie may only be telling you what he was told.

Well. Theology 101, indeed.

8/25/2005 04:20:00 PM  
Blogger Simon Peter said...

This is where I jump in and point out that the bible does not name the type of fruit eaten by Adam and Eve. Theology 102. :-)

And, us oneness apostolics teach that Jesus is God, so of course he was present at the creation, he was there doing the creating. Theology 201. :-)

8/25/2005 05:48:00 PM  
Blogger Mary P. said...

Apple? I knew that. Well-versed in scripture, we Brethren. Even we fallen ones. :-) I was speaking in the colloquial for any less well-versed readers... Forgot about you, my friend!

And we won't go way off topic by discussing the ins and outs of the doctrine of the Trinity here. Too heavy for me, I'd need my boots! :-)

8/25/2005 05:59:00 PM  
Blogger Haley said...

Here's a theological tidbit about creation: there is a debate as to whether God actually created animals before or after man, because there are actually two stories of the Genesis in the bible, and one he has them around before him, and the other he doesn't. Learned that in Religion and Cinematic Culture in first year. Pretty odd huh?

8/25/2005 11:13:00 PM  
Blogger Mary P. said...

So is man the apex or nadir of creation??

The study of theology is complex; there is always more than one opinion/interpretation on anything, and the evidence for it is pretty arcane. The interpretation suggested by your prof is a mainstream interpretation, but not the only highly regarded one.

Ultimately, I doubt it matters much: my ego is not such that I must demand to be the peak of creation, the last, best thing on God's mind! The subject is rampant with interesting tid-bits like that one. Cool, huh?

8/26/2005 08:05:00 AM  

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